Wednesday, March 11, 2009

"no limits on their dreams"

I'm feeling a lot less cynical than usual right now.

3 comments:

Nick Ochsner said...

...?
really..?

"Is Obama ever going to stop campaigning?"

a comment i saw on another blog, and cannot help but agree.

i obviously recognize women are discriminated against, but to create an order to watch over his own agencies seems a tad bit pointless. What powers will the order have? will they be able to punish Obama's own appointees and staff for not complying? hmm. doubtful.

In the case that they see misconduct, would they cry wolf, fearing the poor image it'd cast on Obama's administration? hm.. doubtful.

there are already plenty of policies governing the private sector (EOP points anyone?), and this order obviously cannot and will not have any effect over who is elected 'CEO of fortune 500 companies.'

which leads me back to the thought of "Is Obama ever going to stop campaigning?"

i guess i dont know... i should just study..

Sarita said...

1. I don't think this is a form of campaign strategy. He's already won. In the future, like 3.5 years from now, no one is going to look back at this and be inspired to vote for Obama. His potential second term will inevitably rely on the economy and the international political situation, revolving around the Middle East and the United States' relationship to it.

2. I don't think any measure to promote justice in the case of more than half of the United States population is "pointless". Women are most underrepresented in the realm of political representation and involvement, not in the private sector (as CEOs of Fortune 500's yes, women are severely underrepresented, but as a population of workers in the private sector, women are much closer to reaching a proportional number when compared to population). Any political organization (the U.S. government, for example) should have organizations like this in place to promote women's voices.

3. The simple presence of such a body should have the effect of less discrimination in Obama's administration. The idea that there is someone watching over will likely deter any inappropriate action/behavior.

4. You're a man.

Nick Ochsner said...

1:
"Although I do feel that this council is largely a symbolic gesture, it brought me great pride that the Obama administration has acknowledged that women play a very important part in this nations future.

I cried when this council was announced, as I did when the Ledbetter Fair Pay Act was introduced. We can mark this down as yet another reason I will never vote Republican again. As somebody who has claimed "independent" status because of my bi-partisan support in past elections, I will proudly vote a straight Democratic ticket in future elections."


"I don't think any measure to promote justice in the case of more than half of the United States population is "pointless"
--true. as long as it doesnt put the other half of population at a disadvantage. (i like the idea of pareto efficiency)

The huff post talked about his stimulus helping minimum wage workers, and the fact that many women would be in turn helped since 68% of minimum wage earners are women/single mothers etc.

with some good [female] government workers to run such programs the result will be, statistically, females benefiting greatly without special preferences even needed to be made based on gender..and this = mission accomplished by [bloated] stimulus plan.

but now this women's order comes along and i just fear that such an establishment will go out of its way to make women equal at the expense of equally or more needy males.

i just hate the idea that we need to discriminate to stop discrimination.

a disgustingly large proportion of people i know just discount the achievements of all minorities/women when they do have success because its really really really easy to assume reverse discrimination has given them an edge along the way. this isnt me personally, but such policies do imply that group x isn't able to achieve y without special assistance = ideally counterproductive.

in the end though, society is for the majority, still patriarchal. and no sexist or racist individual will give a woman or minority a chance regardless of policy.

i have like 89000 other thoughts but will stop rambling.